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    Recently i bought this old Indian Talwar sword, but it's not exactly my field of expertise.
    If possible i would like to know the timeframe & region that the sword was made, and if the blade could possibly be wootz steel.
    Thx in advance for any info you're willing to share,

















    Specs:

    Overall length: 35.04 inch (89,0 cm)
    Blade length up to pointy handle end: 27.95 inch (71,0 cm)
    Blade thickness measured just before pointy handle end: 5.63 mm
    Blade thickness measured just before front double edge section: 5.15 mm
    Blade thickness at mid double edge section: 3.0 mm
    Measured edge angle: +/- 30 degrees inclusive, convex
    Handle looks to be plain carbon steel.
    Weight: 1135 grams
    Geändert von kwakster (05.12.18 um 20:24 Uhr) Grund: added weight

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    Currently busy with resharpening the main edge with my worn-in 120 grit diamond file.
    It feels like i'm grinding high carbide steel, and i definitely need to use some pressure to make the file cut & remove material, otherwise it just skids over the surface.
    The remnants of the old main edge measured a slightly convex ~30 degrees inclusive, and the new main edge will be about the same.
    The blade also used to have it's swedge sharpened in the past, so i will probably redo that as well later on.


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    Very nice! Do you think that the Blade is Woots?
    A, you think it's Carbonsteel, my bad...you can etch a window and see...
    Geändert von Hamurra-e (17.07.19 um 13:51 Uhr)

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    Hi kwakster,

    do you know this website: http://atkinson-swords.com

    Dave might know more

    Cheers
    Rudi

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    @Hamurra-e: At the moment i do not know what kind of steel the blade is made from, but later on i plan to do some etching to find out if some sort of pattern emerges or not.

    @Rudy_57: Thx, that is an interesting website with lots of reading material.
    Already bookmarked.

    With the sword clamped to the table i use the diamond file with two hands.
    Already ordered a 300 grit diamond file from the Bay to refine the bevels a bit later on.
    If the new edge comes out good enough i will also clean up the blade surfaces and maybe try to obtain a new and somewhat bigger handle.




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    Maybe you get some ideas from watching Matt Easton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QmgKg8BweA

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    Finished making a new ~30 degrees inclusive convex edge with the 120 grit diamond file.
    Using a light touch and WD40 oil on the file surface produces a comparatively small burr, which will now be refined further with a 300 grit diamond file and again WD40 oil.








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    Hello,

    sorry to say that but I had not resharpened the blade since it reduces its value.
    Just my thoughts.

    Greetings Helge

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    Well, to me the sword will actually be more valuable in functional condition having a sharp edge again.


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    I see no problem with sharpening, but I would have looked if I could polish the sides a bid more; now it is more dangerous.
    Also I believe it should have a convex grind not such a bevel.

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    At the moment i'm fairly certain that my talwar is an actual fighting sword, not some wallhanger.
    The whole blade geometry seems to point in that direction, including a long & wide but shallow fuller on each side of the blade, which is almost impossible to see in the pictures.
    The widened tip area is called a yelman or yalman, and it seems that this could either be a false edge or a fully sharpened one.
    Based on the relatively heavy blade i think that this sword was meant to be used on horseback.

    Regarding the use of the talwar (and other Indian weapons) i have found this website to be very interesting:

    http://indianfight.com/

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    Partial etching attempt with a bit of lemon juice, just to see if something would appear.
    It seems it did, but so far it doesn't look like any of the wootz patterns i see online.
    Click 2 x on the picture, then enlarge further.

    Geändert von kwakster (05.09.19 um 20:17 Uhr)

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