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Two-Hand-Operated Locking Knife for the German market

Peter1960 said:
So, what would be if a slipjoint knife would have a separate locking mechanism? Everyone and his dog could easily see the difference between a slipjoint and locking mechanism. ... I have no glue, if such a design already exists or not, but I know you listen to all ideas and you could design it :steirer:
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Something alike has existed already: I once owned a Schrade Old Timer, featuring a Slipjoint plus Linerlock (without detent ball yet). The slipjoint held the blade opened as well as closed; the Linerlock secured the open blade.
 
Wouldn't the choice to make it lock also make it illegal if it opened one handed?

sal
 
I would stick with the lockback, if an officer wants to find a reason to confiscate a knife he will find one. Rather try to make the design
"non- threatening". In the worst case scenario that it goes to court and the judge wants to take a look, we don't want her to be scared.

For the record: the ancient bladewidth rule for "autos" was 20% of length; my two-hand locking SAK comes at 19% (or maybe just sharpened it too often)
 
Peter1960 said:
...Recently we heard that even a Byrd Tern, a slipjoint knife, was confiscated in Germany.
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... i think it was confiscated cause it´s a one hand opening knife. (i know: no lock = legal for germany)

- The knife we need should be two hand operated only.
- It should have a not "flickable" lock. (e.g. lockback)

Both could be easily realised if the lockback locks the knife even in its closed position.
So you must press the lockback for opening too.

Regards
Apache

(sorry for my bad english)
 
Sal,

please keep in mind that - after recent events - it should be a "true" two-hand-opening knife.

We had problems with non-locking slipjoints like the Byrd Tern - because it can be opened with one hand and that was in one instance enough to confiscate the knife.
We had problems with two-hand folders that can be flicked open.
We had problems with folders that have a really big nail nick (loose recap/translation: A two-hand-knife with the blade protruding very far from the grip when closed and a nail nick big enough for nearly the whole thumb is not seen by officials as a two-hand-knife, but as an attempt to circumvent the law).

I would aim for a knife that has absolutely no replicable way of one-hand-opening, no way of flicking it open (->lockback)? and a really really small spyderco hole.

Locking in the closed position could be a problem - I remember discussions if this signifies a gravity knife. Knives with axis lock were AFAIR ultimately not deemed as gravity knives because it does not lock in the closed position, the blade is only inhibited - but there were discussions/problems.

Locking in an open position was - as far as I know - never a problem.
 
@ sal: just a suggestion - what if the trademark spyderhole was changed into a slightly engraved or etched black dot; not suitable for opening, but at first sight remarkable as spyderco trademark?
(small spyderhole is not easy to clean)
 
I appreciate all of the discussion. Very helpful. Once we get a basic design, then we can refine until we're sure it will work.

I think we can get the "hole" issue ok, it's an appearance thing, but can be worked out. I agree that we do not want to circumvent the law, but comply with the law. I also think color will be important. Non threatening.

sal
 
Another very important issue is the name of the model. This usually takes time and discussion. No widow makers, killer vampires, etc.

sal
 
Sal said:
Another very important issue is the name of the model.
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Hi Sal,
of course the name is very important - my idea is "Zeitgeist" - I think it fits well, because your idea to make a brainstorming in our Forum to find a new design is a very modern approach.....

I hope you think about it !

Greetz
Excalibur
 
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Sal said:
Another very important issue is the name of the model. This usually takes time and discussion. No widow makers, killer vampires, etc.

sal
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You are right, the most law enforcers in germany don't know the details of the laws about carrying knifes and the sheeples normally know only rumors about them. So you can get in trouble by carrying a knife that is legal to carry without question but shows an offensive name. And to most people in germany any military context in "normal" life causes bad associations to you. Sad but true.
 
OK, I'll bite.

excalibur said:
my idea is "Zeitgeist"
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The Spyderco Zeitgeist - I like that a lot. "Zeitgeist" also has the advantage of being used in English quite frequently. Therefore international buyers should be able to relate to this name.

My personal preference however would be the "Spyderco Kobold", hoping that the new knife has something impish to it. The word Kobold (goblin, imp) has a positive connotation in Germany as a goblin called "Pumuckel" has been popularized by a famous children's book, later made into a TV series. A Kobold - also a loanword in English, although rarely used - is understood to be a somewhat mischievous and rebellious but also witty and powerful creature. In my mind this is exactly what we need when dealing with German knife laws.

Another German loanword sometimes used in English is the word "Zweihänder" meaning a two-handed sword. In this forum the expression "Zweihänder" is often used as a short form for a knife that requires two-hand opening. So why not simply call it the "Spyderco Zweihänder". Another plus: It has a fancy Umlaut in it (ä), so it could add something new to the English and American culture (ok, there was Hüsker Hü...)

And a last suggestion: Since Spyderco catering to our specific needs is like a light at the end of the tunnel, you could call it "lux", Latin for light. The word "lux" also sounds exactly like the German word "Luchs" (lynx). Given that a lynx is a big feline - let's kindly overlook its predatory nature - and everybody loves cats, this should be a winner...

You could also vamp up the "Spyderco Lux" by writing it "luX" or even "luXXX". This might draw traffic from all those looking for XXX rated content on the net (and there are a few needy men out there I'm told). Message implied: The Spyderco luXXX - it's really hardcore, bro. Would give a new meaning to the exxxpression "knife porn", too.
 
Good stuff on the names. We'll get down to selecting a name once we have a pattern. You will be selecting the name.

We manged a first drawing last week, from which we made a plastic model. The model told us what to refine before the next model. Quite often, we make many models before deciding on the final pattern. When we get a little closer to a finished drawing, I'll post the drawing and then we can modify and discuss mods.

sal
 
Are you going to put a detent mechanism in a lockback, or is it easier to make a liner-lock with a detent-ball "the size of a bowlingball" to make sure it requires more force to open than the normal double action wrist flick movement that opens almost any moderne folding knife?
It's a nice initiative, I looke forward to see what you come up with :)
 
Hi Niels,

Welcome to the Messerforum.

A larger ball will not usually make the knife harder to flick. It's more the location of the ball and how deep it is placed in the liner.

My initial leaning to overcome the problem of flicking is to make a lockback with a strong spring and a light blade.

sal
 
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