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keyplus88
05.04.08, 09:58
Ich bin auf der Suche nach Informationen über den Slipjoint-Typ Congressman.
Leider geben weder Suchfunktion noch Google viel her.

a) Kann mir jemand sagen, woher diese Bezeichnung stammt?
b) Gibt es einen bestimmten (praxisbezogenen) Grund für die gebogene Griffform?
c) Seit wann ist dieser Messertyp bekannt?

Ich bin für jeden noch so kleinen Hinweis oder Link herzlich dankbar! :)

enrico
05.04.08, 10:37
Hallo keyplus88!

Nicht viel Info - aber trotzdem:

http://www.agrussell.com/knife_information/knife_encyclopedia/glossary/c.html#CongressPattern

Nochwas gefunden:

http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/wr_case/patterns_by_number/61_75.php

Pattern # 68 und ein Seite davor pattern # 52


Die "Pen-Blades" waren (sind) offensichtlich zum Anspitzen von Stiften gedacht ... Gentlemanfolder fürs Büro ?

Gruß, C.

enrico
05.04.08, 12:59
Habe ein bißchen recherchiert - von Case ist das Modell Congressman schon aus der Zeit vor 1915 bekannt - dürfte sich bewährt haben, da es immer noch hergestellt wird - angesichts der neuen gesetzlichen Bestimmungen in Deutschland vielleicht eine Option ...


Gruß, C.

keyplus88
05.04.08, 13:13
@enrico: Fleissig, fleissig! Da hast Du zumindest schonmal 200% mehr rausgefunden als ich.

Ich hab mir das Böker Congressman gegönnt, weil mich die eigenwillige Form des Griffs und die Klingenformen (2 x Sheepfoot, 1 x Pen, 1 x Copingblade) schon lange reizen.

Nur zur Geschichte des Congressman/Congress Knife habe ich kaum was gefunden.

WeißAuchNet
05.04.08, 13:37
Aus "Levine`s guide to knives and their values" (vierte Ausgabe):

Seite 180:

CURVED JACKS AND CONGRESS JACKS

The "curved jack" handle die is similar to the curved regular jack except that the curve goes the other way. The inside of the curve is toward the back or spring side of the knife.
Curved jacks that have all four Corners squared and that are equal-ended, or only slightly tapered, are called "congress jacks." The congress shape is ordinarily a pen knife handle die, but some firms, I guess just to be different, made congress jacks as well. All congress knives and just about all curved jacks have sheepfoot master blades.
Small markedly tapering curved jacks with rounded ends were sometimes called "sway-back jacks," although the term "sway-back" also referred to the "swell-center congress," a pen knife pattern. Sway-back jacks were popular in the 19th century but had pretty much gone out of production by 1910.
Medium-sized curved jacks (3,5 to 4,25 inches long) were often called "New England Whalers.'" These, and most larger curved jacks, were designed as sailors' rope knives.Also, some firms used curved jack handles for their "pruners“. Both prunners and sailors' knives are covered under Special Purpose Jack Knives.

Seite 242:

CONGRESS AND TOBACCO KNIVES

The "congress" knife is curved like a crescent. lt usually has squared Corners, although a few have rounded Corners. Congress knives can have two, three, four, five, six, or eight blades. They always have a sheepfoot master blade.
The largest congress knives are from 3,5 to over 4 Inches long. These large congress knives were often called "tobacco knives," because they were favored for carving bite-sized chews from plugs of chewing tobacco. Larger whittlers of various shapes were also sometimes called tobacco knives. True tobacco knives never have a manicure blade.
lt seems that the congress knife appeared on the scene some time in the first third of the last century. lt is one of the earliest patterns created specifically for the American market. Knife fanciers have long speculated oin the origins of the names "senator" and "congress" for the shapes they refer to, but no solid evidence has yet surfaced.
Not only is the congress a purely American pattern, for most of its history it was a purely southern pattern. Until a generation or two ago, you Gould hardly find one west of the Rockies or very far north of Mason and Dixon's line. English firms and the big northeastern cutlery manufacturers such as Remington and New York Knife Company made congress knives in large numbers, but they mainly distributed them through wholesalers in the Southeast.
An appealing feature to Look for an congress knives, one also found an barlows and other patterns male for the southern market, is fancy bolsters. Fancy bolsters are often accompanied by fancy handle materials such as pearl.
On the night he was shot, April 14,1$65, President Abraham Lincoln was carrying a six-bladed ivory-handled congress knife. This knife is now on display in the Library of Congress. lt is marked WILLIAM GILCHRIST' S CELEBRATED RAZOR STEEL.

Claus.
(Ich bin etwas in Eile und habe das nicht mehr Korrektur gelesen)

jmp
05.04.08, 13:48
Hi,

wenn Levine Dir nicht helfen kann, dann gibt's weder Stockman noch Congressman patterns ;).

http://pweb.netcom.com/~brlevine/links.htm#knife%20publications
http://pweb.netcom.com/~brlevine/4cont.txt

cu
Peter
PS: bleib bei der 4. Auflage, die 5. ist ein Fehlgalopp eines etwas gierigen Verlages.

PPS: 4 weitere Antworten in der kurzen Zeit, incl. der Levine Ausschnitts oben -- da tippt jemand definitiv ueber dem Geschwindigkeitslimit :lach:

keyplus88
05.04.08, 14:13
@ Weißauchnet & jmp:
Herzlichen Dank, Ihr seid spitze! :super:

Das Buch steht ab sofort ganz oben auf meiner Wunschliste.

ingelred
06.04.08, 22:57
Hallo,

hier noch ein Auszug aus "The Sheffield Lnife Book - A History an Collectors' Guide" vo Geoffrey Tweedale zum Thema Congress knife.

Gruß, Helge

A Sheffield pen-knife that sold well in America was the Congress knife, which had a handle that curved like a crescent. No one has discovered why this pattern was so named, though we know that it became popular before the American Civil War. Sheffield exported many Congress knives to the USA, especially to the Southern states, where they seem to have been sold almost exclusively. Besides the gently curving handle, other distinguishing features were squarish corners on the bolster, a universal sheepfoot master blade, and four or more blades. Some Congress knives had eight blades, making the pattern very definitely a top-of-the-line model. Sheffield makers such as Joseph Rogers lavished much attention on their Congress knives by producing them with ornate, engraved bolsters. The firm made a four-bladed Congress knife, ‘silver mounted’; and a six-blade version ‘gold mounted’. According to cutlery historian Bernard Levine, on the night when US President Abraham Lincoln was assassinated in 1865, he was carrying a six-bladed ivory-handled Congress knife. It was marked ‘William Gilchrist’s Celebrated Razor Steel’, and may have been Sheffield-made (so no Wm Gilchrist seems to be listed in directories of that time). The knife is now in the Library of Congress.

torel
09.01.10, 23:59
Das Congress und andere Habseligkeiten, die Lincoln zum Zeitpunkt des Attentats bei sich trug, sind hier zu sehen:

http://cutlerynewsjournal.com/2009/10/08/cnj-trivia-pocketknife-and-the-president-of-the-united-states/

torel
10.01.10, 00:32
Damit der interessante "Faden" noch ein bisschen anschaulicher wird, verweise ich mal aufs Museum: http://www.messerforum.net/showthread.php?t=79621 und das schöne Böker Congressman.

Des Weiteren ein schönes Congress mit interessantem Griff. (Marke "Steel Warrior" von Frost Cutlery (Made in China). Nicht nur die Solinger (und Amerikaner wie Case natürlich) bedienen offenbar den amerikanischen Sammlermarkt traditioneller Taschenmesserdesigns mit einer Fülle von Modellen. Es tummelt sich auch eine stattliche Anzahl chinesischer Exemplare...)